Atheists will read a bible with no problem but you coudn't even pay lots of Christians to even go to an atheist website. Debates can lead to who's right and who's wrong. Atheists are willing to debate but I've wittnessed lots of Christians back down from a debate with atheists.Atheist seek the truth and Christians seek comfort. true or false?
i dont know about that. but i do think that many christians cant really handle hearing ppl talk about ';god'; in a way that implies there isnt one. i know plenty of christians that would argue it all day and night with you. and i bet you'll get a few that will answer this Q.
but when you boil it all down, you cant prove that god does/does not exist. just because ppl say he does, or a book says so, that doesnt give us any proof. i've read a book about a talking cat in a hat, and some green eggs and ham. that doesnt mean its true. and just because theres no proof that god exists, that doesnt disprove his existence. the absence of evidence is NOT, the evidence of absence. once upon a time everyone ';knew'; that the world was flat, because there was no proof otherwise. well, guess what, they were wrong. i've never seen a billion dollars. prove to me it exists. unless you can put it in my hands, i dont need to believe you. well, i bet you've never seen it either, but guess what, we believe its out there.Atheist seek the truth and Christians seek comfort. true or false?
Everyone should seek the truth. When you find it you will find comort to boot. If you find it you will have found Jesus because He IS Truth.
The first thing I want to say is...you never win someone by debate. You might have proven something to them, but have you really convinced them? You most likely have just made them feel foolish and belittled. There is a saying, ';A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.'; There is no need to debate. Secondly, most (I say most because there are some that don't)people seek comfort. It is just comfort will come in different ways for different people.
http://www.garyhabermas.com/video/video.鈥?/a>
There is a link to a video of Dr Habermas making Atheist spokesman/debator Anthony Flue run with his tail tucked in reference to the ressurrection.
Actually I think a lot of time is wasted on debating people who the Bible considers fools. I used to go to Atheist websites but found them to be boring with the same old Christian hate lines. So if you want to marvel at how dumb a person can be then DEBATE an atheist. If you want to LEARN then talk to a Christian.
true, i am not an athesist but i have personal experience. In many of my experiences with Christians when i have sincerely genuinely wanted to know the answers to questions and tried to understand they attacked me and wouldn't answer a single question. I guess to some christians ignornance is bliss, as long as they don't have to know why but take things just on the surface.
There is no comfort in being a Christian. Hey where do I sign up for me and my beliefs to be the brunt of half the late night jokes, half the scripts in hollywood, ALL the videos on MTV and almost any college professor I could possible have. I want to live in a world where everything that I hold dear is presupposed by every possible public venue to be a lie, fable, or fantasy. Hey, unless you are dealing with a very mature Christian or a veteran of multiple debates, then you are dealing with a Christian, who like any one, doesn't like to take on a ten fold advantage in numbers and culture. Try being an atheist in Iran or Egypt and you will get the idea of shying away from certain settings. Plus most Christians were not born that way. It is not genetic. They use to participate in atheism and defend it. They already know what you have to say because they were the ones saying it.
well im not sure what i am but i am sure that if im anything im a person who likes proof of things before i devote myself to it. and yes... some christians say its a ';sad thing'; that atheists dont believe but i think it goes too damn deep...like the chicken and the egg...how did we get here?
False. You can neither prove nor disprove of the existence of god.
While i think that all religions serve the purpose of comforting unanswerable questions regarding existence, it could also be argued that atheists seek comfort in not having to adhere to the discipline of religion. Einstein* said that he was studding gods creation and that ';god does not roll dice.'; So, to some extent it could be said that through the study of physics we seek the truth of gods creation.
What if god does exists and all of the tenants of the bible are true? Then Atheists would be seeking comfort and Christians would be seeking the truth. It is all relative.
Science is theory that can be functionally applied to the world and has yet to be disproved. Religion is faith which cannot be functionally applied to the world, if could it would be called science and not religion.
*Of course Einstein was Jewish and not Christian.
Have found most christians very closed minded an unwilling to even think about other possibilities
I THINK THEY BOTH WANT COMFORT -- BUT THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR IT IN DIFFERING WAYS. BOTH WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BEING HONEST TRUTH SEEKERS.
True. I believe Theists are just insecure about death, and the unknown, so they have to create this mental picture in their head of a ';paradise'; in the clouds, when in reality, there's nothing more than a pine box 6 feet under ground. Upbringing/Brainwashing plays a vital role, too.
atheists don't believe there is a God.If they were seeking truth then they would be seeking God,
cast not your pearls before swine
Christians back down from discussions with non-believers because of fear. They believe that the devil is trying to seduce them with logic.
I've been to plenty of atheists websites and I'm a Christian. However I'll only spend a small amount of time in a debate with someone because I can present plenty of historical and scientific evidence that would carry the weight of evidence in a courtroom to prove the existence of God and if a person has already made up their mind that they are not going to believe then they are like someone on a jury who has taken a bribe. It doesn't matter how much proof I provide, it's a waste of my time.
For instance, consider this well written article about how it's scientifically impossible for life to have evolved from inanimate matter with no intelligence directing it. If you can't at least say something like ';Well, it has a lot of good points and I guess it's possible that God or some other super intelligence is responsible for life here on earth'; then why should I waste my time and efforts?
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DNA Double Helix: A Recent Discovery of Enormous Complexity
The DNA Double Helix is one of the greatest scientific discoveries of all time. First described by James Watson and Francis Crick in 1953, DNA is the famous molecule of genetics that establishes each organism's physical characteristics. It wasn't until mid-2001, that the Human Genome Project and Celera Genomics jointly presented the true nature and complexity of the digital code inherent in DNA. We now understand that each human DNA molecule is comprised of chemical bases arranged in approximately 3 billion precise sequences. Even the DNA molecule for the single-celled bacterium, E. coli, contains enough information to fill all the books in any of the world's largest libraries.
DNA Double Helix: The ';Basics';
DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) is a double-stranded molecule that is twisted into a helix like a spiral staircase. Each strand is comprised of a sugar-phosphate backbone and numerous base chemicals attached in pairs. The four bases that make up the stairs in the spiraling staircase are adenine (A), thymine (T), cytosine (C) and guanine (G). These stairs act as the ';letters'; in the genetic alphabet, combining into complex sequences to form the words, sentences and paragraphs that act as instructions to guide the formation and functioning of the host cell. Maybe even more appropriately, the A, T, C and G in the genetic code of the DNA molecule can be compared to the ';0'; and ';1'; in the binary code of computer software. Like software to a computer, the DNA code is a genetic language that communicates information to the organic cell.
The DNA code, like a floppy disk of binary code, is quite simple in its basic paired structure. However, it's the sequencing and functioning of that code that's enormously complex. Through recent technologies like x-ray crystallography, we now know that the cell is not a ';blob of protoplasm';, but rather a microscopic marvel that is more complex than the space shuttle. The cell is very complicated, using vast numbers of phenomenally precise DNA instructions to control its every function.
Although DNA code is remarkably complex, it's the information translation system connected to that code that really baffles science. Like any language, letters and words mean nothing outside the language convention used to give those letters and words meaning. This is modern information theory at its core. A simple binary example of information theory is the ';Midnight Ride of Paul Revere.'; In that famous story, Mr. Revere asks a friend to put one light in the window of the North Church if the British came by land, and two lights if they came by sea. Without a shared language convention between Paul Revere and his friend, that simple communication effort would mean nothing. Well, take that simple example and multiply by a factor containing many zeros.
We now know that the DNA molecule is an intricate message system. To claim that DNA arose by random material forces is to say that information can arise by random material forces. Many scientists argue that the chemical building blocks of the DNA molecule can be explained by natural evolutionary processes. However, they must realize that the material base of a message is completely independent of the information transmitted. Thus, the chemical building blocks have nothing to do with the origin of the complex message. As a simple illustration, the information content of the clause ';nature was designed'; has nothing to do with the writing material used, whether ink, paint, chalk or crayon. In fact, the clause can be written in binary code, Morse code or smoke signals, but the message remains the same, independent of the medium. There is obviously no relationship between the information and the material base used to transmit it. Some current theories argue that self-organizing properties within the base chemicals themselves created the information in the first DNA molecule. Others argue that external self-organizing forces created the first DNA molecule. However, all of these theories must hold to the illogical conclusion that the material used to transmit the information also produced the information itself. Contrary to the current theories of evolutionary scientists, the information contained within the genetic code must be entirely independent of the chemical makeup of the DNA molecule.
DNA Double Helix: Its Existence Alone Defeats any Theory of Evolution
The scientific reality of the DNA double helix can single-handedly defeat any theory that assumes life arose from non-life through materialistic forces. Evolution theory has convinced many people that the design in our world is merely ';apparent'; -- just the result of random, natural processes. However, with the discovery, mapping and sequencing of the DNA molecule, we now understand that organic life is based on vastly complex information code, and such information cannot be created or interpreted without a Master Designer at the cosmic keyboard.
True.
Atheists offer facts to support their opinions; theists offer their opinions (the bible) to support their opinions.
Evidence:
The last question I posted was in direct response to a Christian's comment that he had ';never lost a debate'; on the subject of Christianity. It appears he never lost a debate because he never engaged in one. I'm still waiting for him to answer that rather simple question.
It is ridiculous to believe that all Atheists or all Christians do or are anything. Atheists and Christians are large groups of people with a wide variety of beliefs, attitudes, and biases in each group.
There are Christians who love to debate and their are Atheists who don't want to get into it and vice-a-versa.
There are websites, and talk shows, and massive written apologist works that continue this age old debate over and over and over again.
So, False. Some Athiests seek the truth and are willing to debate, or pray, or read, or whatever to pursue it. Some Christians also. Some Athiests and some Christians are not interested in truth and some feel they have found truth and are not interested in wasting more time seeking.
Why should Christians debate Atheist?
What's the point?
We know we are right, and they think they are.
I have the truth of God's word already and the truth has set me free. Why would I be searching in delusions?
I don't think it's a matter of who is right and who is wrong.
Many Christians believe they already know the truth, so debating with a truth seeker isn't really necessary.
There are MANY truth seeking Christians. Some of whom will debate just about any aspect of their faith, but not if the other side insists that nothing they have to say is important because it begins with the belief in what you think doesn't exist.
I'm convinced that most athiests believe the way they do because the only ';face'; of God they have been presented with is the face shown by the worst of God's followers.
Anybody can discount the entire Bible because some of it doesn't make sense, but it contains a lot of wonderful, very old principals. It describes the human condition without apology and eventually explains the way to get beyond that human condition and enjoy the experience Adam had before the original sin. A personal relationship with God.
I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not about comfort, it's about spirituality. If many Christians don't get it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Christians found the truth, the way, and the life. Your question insults my intelligence, how would I know what a non believer seeks. Ask a cow or a squirrel. God Bless
Hummm...well then I suppose you have not been around too much. There are lots of web sites where Christians debate Atheists. Like http://www.equip.org or http://www.icr.org or http://www.wayofthemaster.com to name just a couple. A true Christian is never afraid to hear what any other person has to say, whether it is cults or Atheist. We ALL as human beings seek a source of comfort, it is our nature. However to have a relationship with Jesus Christ is more than comfort it is freedom from the oppression of fear.
To find out about the truth one must always keep an open mind.
Atheist do they believe in God?if they don't then it doesn't matter what they think to me because how can you not believe in God and sit here talking about him,that is a total disrespect,maybe that is why we back down or we just don't go their to debate any thing about God with someone who is blind to see the truth,and an idiot for not believing.
Yeah, totally false. In my experience, most atheists haven't read the Bible. Many educated atheists have, and I applaud them, but most atheists aren't so well educated.
In my experience, most atheists simply want to live how they want to live (seeking comfort) which is why they reject God outright because then they might have to live for something other than themselves. At the same time, Christianity is hardly comfortable. We have peace and joy, but rarely comfort.
You're more than welcome to pay me to go to atheist websites. They don't indimidate me in the slightest. And I won't back down from any debate and I've never lost one with any atheist, educated or not.
Ever notice how all of them are busy talking about something they don't believe? Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Who's the greater fool, the man who believes in a God he's never seen, or a man who's offended by a God he doesn't even believe in?
You can send payments to my PayPal account...
A lot of Atheists have actually upfront confronted me. I do seek the truth, and when I answer them about evolution and how it's full of lies, they get defensive. For a fact, Darwinism is a belief system protected by the government. I'm willing to back up my beliefs. I'm even willing to die for them, that's how much I trust my Truth. Are you?
If atheists are seeking the truth, then why haven't they realized that there is, in fact, a higher power? How could matter, people, the world, have just appeared? I think they're seeking an affirmation of their beliefs (or rather non-belief in a higher power, or God). Christians seek comfort? I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think EVERYbody, regardless of religion or belief, seeks comfort or peace of mind, if you will. You're obviously coming from a different place than I, because I don't know any Christians who back down from a debate with atheists or agnostics.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.
1 John :8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in ONE
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach allnations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
False, I seek the Truth, and I am a christian. As for atheisism, at one point I was agnostic. Now, I am convinced without a shadow of a doubt that there is a God, and that I serve Him.
Give them a break! Religion assumes faith so from the very beginning it is anti-reason.... it appeals to some other faculty. It is wrong for believers to even try to reason because they are beginning from a position of unreason (faith) and thus making the enterprise itself faulty.
If an agnostic or an atheist were reasoning for or against God it makes sense because their premise itself is not to begin with belief or faith but doubt.
If you are driven by this other faculty (some supernatural experience which has overwhelmed you), as long as you don't impose it on others, it is perfectly fine... and you can share it with those who r similarly abled or everyone interested...just as that.
But leave the realm of reason aside because you make wild asses of yourself out here!!
As a Christian I believe that apart from God Holy Spirit any reading of the bible ill be fruitless for the most part. The Holy Spirit is called the comforter by Jesus who declared Himself to be the ';Truth';
So I believe that it is the comforter Himself that reveals truth to those who seek it in Gods holy scriptures.
I'm a Christian, and I seek both truth and comfort from what the bible says. For instance, I believe 6/6/06 is a possibility for the world to end [but we really don't know]. I think it is both fightening and comforting.
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